In response to a David K Google article in which he baited me by the second word I cranked out this comment but it was just too good to post on his dull thread so here you go: I know you’re banking on the readers not to hit that link but I actually clicked it to see what Eric Chu went on the record to say, in search of some sort of death knell for the development and user adoption to dry up as it is with WP7 that the tone in this thread seems to imply. I know a lot of our readers (and writers) see an article link and either don’t click it (at best do a mouseover for any pop-up text to summarize it adequately) so let me break down what I’m hearing from Chu. Pics related, this is a boring article.

imageSome Google Android bossman up says he’s dissatisfied, disillusioned or shocked and saddened, maybe ashamed, with either the purchase rate of Android market apps, the average revenue per app or developer, the methods with which Android users may pay for things and their not being conducive enough to money changing hands more fluidly, a combination or all of those. Doesn’t specify.

But what’s most important is that we’ve got a guy in an apparent position of elevated power who thinks the thing, however good it may or may not be, falls short of his expectations of what it could, should and must be and he’s got some bullet points of what they’re doing to realize his vision, some things already partially implemented, others to be phased in over the course of the year.

imageThose things include though are not limited to rolling out carrier billing to more carriers as they already have done with two or three American carriers (AT&T and T-Mo, plus SK Telecom, maybe more) and , some system by which users may make more purchases while using an app which I could see being useful for gambling or buying more Angry Birds levels without having to exit the game, a donation app that’s like a Zagat but of charities where it lets people rate them Yelp-like and also lets users throw some cash at the ones they like (hey, that’s a good idea right there).

imageWhat’s next. Improve app user discovery to weed out some apps for violating the rules and highlight the better ones, by means, namely, of Google’s algorithms. Google’s good at algorithms. That’s how they made a name for themselves and I’m by no means a math guy but the Android market has got to be a hell of a lot easier to improve with such methods than web search. I like the sound of that, even though, and I realize I’m kind of alone on this, I am completely satisfied with the market (though I wouldn’t say that were I working for this man).

Lastly he notes that Google’s warming up to HTML5 for Android app development. Fantastic. If they do that, I’m buying at least one HTML5 book.

imageThe author wraps up by noting the recent change in Google’s leadership. Now other than his not being Steve Jobs (Steve Jobs minus the wild hatred toward Google) I had no problem with Schmidt, actually I kind of appreciated his extremely dry sense of humor which flew over everyone’s head and instead made for great sound bites to ignite privacy campaigns against Google, but … well, I’ll start by pulling this Larry Page up on wikipedia. I know that lovely blonde they’ve had working there for a long time who I saw the other weekend on CNBC and really was quite taken with her (professionally) endorsed him strongly, that’s good enough for me. Ahh I’ll google her: Marissa Mayer. She’s fine and she’s sharp and tough. If you ask me she should be on top. So to speak. Okay that was over the line – I apologize. VP of this and that, I’m gonna have to do an article on this broad. Yeah, she gets her own article.

imagePoint is, David K’s article about another article about a discussion is not some bombshell revelation by some insider with loose lips that this Android market is shit and a hell of a long way from not being shit; it’s someone on the inside saying that to some extent he’s in agreement with the trash talkers and not only does he feel that way he and his people are doing a bunch of things right now to fix that. Over time, most things coming out of Google improve, do they not, and this market you all bitch about and take cheap shots at, it will be no exception.

You pretty much say in your title Get This People: Even Some Google Employee Concedes that Android’s Market Sucks (and your link goes on to say that here’s what they’re doing about it), I say in response that if he didn’t feel that way, why the hell would Google be paying him to hang around?

Doug Simmons


  1. Let me ask you this- would you prefer to have the apps in the Appstore or Android Market? Follow up is if you’d want their market as a whole (pricing and everything that comes with it)? I don’t think there’s any real debate that the iOS Appstore has the best apps of any platform. It’s factual. Google is merely conceding a fact and they want to catch up…nothing wrong with not being #1 in every category. Finding fault is the only way to improve it…

  2. They did not merely concede that. Also you are not considering every category.

    Also, with the superior, uniform hardware and software, with the better hands-down across the board app store with the best apps of any platform (“factual”), any idea how Android not only caught up but flew right on ahead of iOS in terms of activations and sales? How long you think until Android’s on more actively used phones than iOS? We can bet on that if you’d like. And by the way, most of those sales are made up of the five or so top shelf phones, so let’s not get into the Backflip or whatever.

    I’m not an app developer, my opinion on which market I’d want my app on (ideally both I suppose) is somewhat worthless, also considering that I don’t have an app in mind, it’s somewhat worthless. So if you want anything more than fired up conjecture, skim through what this guy said, covers quite a bit:

    Or ask your own developer.

  3. will you concede it? It’s a question to you if you’re willing to trade stores.
    Android flew past because it’s so cheap and it’s so easy to get on devices. Motorola is already acknowledging that sales on VZ Android devices have slowed because of the iPhone coming.

  4. I’ll concede that that’s the consensus I’m surrounded by, but not having spent more than a minute on the App Store other than activating an iPad for some old lady and giving her the New York Times app, I have no experience with it. And maybe I don’t know what life is like on the other side but whenever I want an app, whether I know the name, odds are I’ll find it very quickly and without a hitch, and I’ll find the one good enough that quite often I’ll go and pay for the full version. I do not feel inundated with crap. The ranking system (users) is good, so is Google’s ordering of what to return either on search results or category selections.

    So OEMs, when picking which direction to go platform-wise, they zero in right away on cheapest licensing fees, not on software quality? That’s the way companies like Samsung, Motorola and HTC go in order to get carrier and consumer attention on their products? Really? Is that what you would do if you were one of those companies?

    So easy to put on devices — If you are still under the impression that Google has no hardware standards, you’re wrong. If this is actually something you care about, look around here – You might be enlightened or you might find more anti-Android ammunition (I didn’t read too much of it).

    You seem to think I have something against Apple. Beyond enjoying Android, which you thought would be crushed right now by Windows Phone, surpassing the almighty iOS, beyond the pleasure I get seeing my babies pretty much every time I’m on a crowded subway and oftentimes without seeing an iPhone, and one time some kid excitedly asked me the day after I bought it “Hey is that the Nexus S?” … beyond that I’ve praised Apple here and I own a share of the company.

    Regarding Verizon… we’ll see, but it’s worth noting that in the last quarter they reported pulling in over 800K subscribers (net), at least one or two of whom heard about the iPhone announcement. I’m not too worried about Android getting stuffed into the corner with the WP7 phones — oh wait, they still don’t exist at Verizon. Maybe if Microsoft would take Google’s move a step further and PAY the companies to manufacture and make a reasonable effort to try to move their phones they’d be outselling WinMo. But of course it’s too soon to judge, right?

    You bring up Verizon and their iphone, here’s what I bring up, according to that spreadsheet article I did: Though iPhones had a brief leg up on Android through Christmas, between the 19th and 24th the change in daily active users for the iPhone and for Android was 158K and 383K respectively. The usage growth rate in the same time, 31K to 76K iPhone to Android.

    As a gesture to you and your fans I won’t mention the new data on WP7. Though I still have to categorize this as a feud article now.

    Now would you stop distracting me with this Apple stuff so I can write something more refreshing? You know I have this thing where if you say anything like this you know I will at the least respond with a several paragraph essay comment or quite possibly a lengthy article with holes wide open for you to pounce on. You’re abusing that too much. Let me write freely for a bit please, unless you want to say something like Hmm I didn’t think about it that way, have to agree with you there.

    I gave you a pretty good, dangerously good x-ray, no feedback on that? You know, this one.

  5. The Android Market is certainly not the reason android has done so well. If you don’t see how poor and surprisingly unimaginative a lot of the apps are, especially compared to the app store, well, then you just don’t see. Lucky google itself is much smarter than that and does get it.

  6. I’ve been reading and enjoying this site lately, but I have to admit that this back and forth taking place between the editors/writers of this site is bizarre. Shouldn’t something like this take place somewhere else other than the front page articles and comments?

  7. Keeps us engaged and amused, directs more OC where it’s needed, even if it doesn’t remind you of the New York Times. OC is OC for us atm. When our ship comes in, maybe we’ll act our respective ages a little more. But both of those two things are unlikely.

  8. While I like the bantering, the problem is someone here doesn’t every acknowledge being wrong. Which then makes the banter tiresome and somewhat obnoxious. Luckily there are enough other writers on the site and enough other articles that you can somewhat ignore one naive writer.

  9. True. Fortunately there’s plenty of room for more writers to help balance things out further with eclecticity as I call it. We’re big on that here.

    Do let us know if you’re interested.

  10. I’m now writer. Well, not that I ever tried. I occasionally contemplate it, but I find it easier to be a forum troll as I only have to write a few incoherent sentences. And seeing how your always on Davidk’s arse, I’d rather not subject myself to that, not at this point in my life.

    As for the article up above, meh. Better bit as you hinted, a bit boring. Quite honestly, your normal style is what I prefer, just minus you emulating an Apple fanboy when talking anything Google.

  11. And if I could only stop auto correct from making me look like an even bigger idiot or if I could edit my previous posts, perhaps I’d not look like the fool.

  12. Don’t worry about that, the bossman Doug Smith (no relation) sets the bar of good spelling and grammar nice and low, whatever mistake you made went over my head.

    Though you could modify your comment if you had a login… which we’d give you in exchange for a couple sentences and a picture from google images every now and then…..

    The way I post, on and on and on, short posts at this point I suspect would be quite welcome.

  13. theMule makes a point that I was getting at. It’s one thing to love a platform – it’s another to be blind to it’s problems. And even Google isn’t happy with apps sales in its market. But you seem to be more than pleased with the market. See the problem? There’s no harm in acknowledging that there are flaws in an OS. Every OS has them and always will. If you can’t see them, then it’s fanboyism to the extreme.
    As to the back and forth between writers, it’s all in good fun. My original article was fair I think. It was a legit post that was carried by a lot of blogs (Engadget Cnet, etc). Simmons defending his turf- that’s routine ;) It makes for a good read and if it’s not your cup of tea, just read the next one…

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