Microsoft Reverts to Original Categorical Denial over Google Accusation: Some Suit Accuses Google of Fraud and IP Theft, Likens Google to Spammers, Suggests Bing Search Core Is and Was Already Superior to Google Which Scared Google into this Nonsense; Accuses Google of Attempting to Sabotage Bing Event, Accuses Google Engineer of Feigning His Frustration; Despite Pledge Fails to Clear Things Up, Miffed that this Screwed Up His Plans Yesterday
From Yusuf Mehdi, a suit, veteran in marketing and advertising on behalf of the Bing Team in response to Google’s engineer’s allegations of being cheated by Microsoft: “We do not copy results from any of our competitors. Period. Full stop.”
Okay good, nice and explicit, succinct, so we can go ahead and stop the tape. No wait Yusuf, you said you’d stop, so STOP. But you can’t stop there, can you; no, you’ve got to proceed to admit to what Google didn’t accuse you of, accuse Google of what you implied they accused you of and denying what they didn’t accuse you of.
He’s taking advantage of the complexity of the matter; he’s admitting to what Google didn’t accuse him of, denying what they did not accuse him of. What, you want to read both yourself? Okay, just do me a favor and please read them thoroughly: Google’s stimulus, Microsoft’s [3rd but official looking] response and my source. If it means anything to you, Google’s accusation comes from a respected search engineer with over twenty years of searching under his belt, Microsoft’s comes from a marketer/advertiser/revenue and market share manager/another suit.
I wish someone would sit him down and ask him some simple yes or no questions. For example: Hey, yes or no: Has Microsoft taken advantage of this opt-in browser data not just for URL discovery as you admit to but to effectively replicate the query handling techniques and behavior of Google’s Search with Bing, to dodge the word copying? Is a yes or no too tall an order? Then maybe go through the Google post with a red marker and highlight whatever you believe to be a lie? Work with me. Put this thing to bed and I’m telling you an apology is the strongest soporific you can sprinkle onto this mess.
In case I don’t have his attention but could any of you who read both statements do some roll playing with me?
Someone got an interesting first post comment on this guy’s post:
Oh here’s one guy with some pretty good questions, better than mine. Last one:
Hmm I don’t know, these are suspiciously good and more than one pro-Google comment, sounds like his Microsoft thread has been viciously compromised by a Google internal email-launched flaming. My question is, will Microsoft stop as requested by Google or would that be seen as an admission of guilt that they don’t want to exhibit? Here’s the backstory.
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After reading his post in full (http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2011/02/02/setting-the-record-straight.aspx) the more I realize how much bullshit Google is throwing. Google intentionally used the Bing toolbar to send data to Bing and then the results of that were integrated into Bing’s search formula. That’s exactly what I’d expect. If you search for something and then click through a link then expect it to be ranked higher. That’s what Google did. And I recall that guy that recently got such bad reviews that Google ranked him top when searching for whatever shit he was selling. Yeah – the more people clicked about him the higher his rank got. Google knew this would be the result and people know they can manipulate Google results as well. Total total bullshit out of proportion unicorn story made up by Google who is now afraid as they continue to shed marketshare to Bing and are proving it by taking them on so aggresively.
@ David K
Yeah it seems pretty clear they figured out how to trick the toolbar into appearing much worse than in it finding searches that Bing does not have any other reference for. The google toolbar collects information in the same way and if you search on bing through it the feedback would go back to google whether they liked it or not. The larger idea that google would whine about someone else using data that is freely available for their own ends is kind of amazing since… that’s basically all they do. As far as google worrying about Bing – uh, yeah actually Sergy has openly said that they study it.
Wow, you really starting a new post because you don’t like the comments in the first?
pastc0: Of course they could be making this up but Google denies using the data their toolbar and Chrome send back to add new URLs to their search engine, though admit to using them for clocking how fast it takes to load websites. Beyond that, they claim it makes no further contribution to their search engine. Now, packing in Bing data from people using Chrome or the toolbar running around on Bing to do what they’re accusing Microsoft of doing, I don’t know, strikes me as a stretch. If they were hitching a free ride on Bing’s superior innovation in searching, why would they spoil the party with the accusation?
yss: I loved them so much I had to get another batch, thanks for coming. It had nothing to do with this warranting another post, Microsoft’s gloves-off response.
This all comes down to one thing. The claim that Bing copied Google’s results is a lie. bing does user click through data. That’s what Google proved. In fact, only 7 of 100 searches they seeded panned out so it proves that Bing is not using Google data. If they want to get into a conversation about what data sould and should not be used I’m sure there’s plenty of fecal matter each side can throw. But Google made it seem like there was something more that was happening here. It’s just a question of what data is collected and how it’s used and not a question of copying though.
it’s interesting to see different takes on this issue… i bet it all goes nowhere…
http://www.pcworld.com/article/218569/is_googles_copying_complaint_fair_or_hypocritical.html