Think you’ll like this one, we’re pretty fired up. I could use some backup so if you tend to agree with me please join in:


On 2/2/2011 12:38 PM, David K wrote:

This didn’t strike me as much until I remember that Google is trying to squash H264 now (and use their own shit). Nice slap back at them…by the way, MS did the same thing for Firefox in December so this isn’t so out of thin air.

Simmons, you know it’s bait…want to go for it?:)

Doug Simmons:

It’s appetizing. I’ll think it over on a coffee/19oz Red Bull run.

Doug Simmons:

Here’s what I remember about Microsoft sharing the plugin love with other browsers:

Microsoft forced addon makes Firefox as insecure as IE
Microsoft Update Slips In a Firefox Extension – Slashdot
Nice contribution MS.

David K:

And Android is bulletproof – no security flaws. I’d talk about Google’s PC OS but I’m stillw aiting for it to exist. Anyway:
That’s you plugin from December and shouldn’t be watching a Honeycomb event?

Chris Leiter:

Chromium has been available for a long time, just not in the store

David K:

The cloud OS with no local storage? I don’t need to go into it but if it’s so great why not replace Android with Chromium for phones and call it a day? It’s shit…they should focus on Android…that makes sense on a laptop in ways Chromium never will.

Doug Simmons:

Let’s say Chromium’s a longshot, why not focus on Android and take some longshots at the same time? Google, like Android, can multitask.

David K:

Chromium just makes so much less sense when they have Android. I mean, Android is already a free OS to OEMs. Name a scenario where you would prefer Chromium over Android assuming the latest version of Chromium to Honeycomb. The hardware requiremetns for an Android laptop are likely pretty damn close to a Chromium laptop (except for the need to have some local storage but that’s not a huge expense by any stretch of the imagination).

Doug Simmons:

It blows my mind that Google completely failed to consider these great ideas of yours.

David K:

So rather then respond with one example fo a benefit of Chromium…I’ll accept that as an implicit acknowledgement that somewhere deep down you know Chromium is headed the way of Wave…411…the others

Doug Simmons:

Regarding which way things are headed, you mind mind filling me in on which way IE’s popularity has been heading particularly since Google crashed that party, and which way Google has since been heading steadily? You want to look into that, maybe see if you find "implicit acknowledgments" of any  sort?

Chris Leiter:

Holy crap, I didn’t realize that chrome had taken such a commanding chunk from IE and firefox.  In only a few months chrome will be the number one browser!  Not bad.  I use it almost exclusively.  Only my online classes demand that I use IE

David K:

Another attempt at’re persistent, I’ll give you that.

Doug Simmons:

Not completely irrelevant as Chrome, I believe, will be the centerpiece of Chromium. Good to see it gaining such traction as Google’s kind of making a big deal out of running everything off the user’s browser, which is steadily becoming Chrome as IE shrinks, as they enter the laptop software market.

By the way, how’s Google Live Earth coming along? Those news anchors still using Google Earth even on the stations with "MS" in the name? Did Microsoft manage to learn enough lessons from both WinMo and the Kin not to let WP7 pretty much flop? The company’s still got to be worth way more than Apple, right? How about almost as much? Okay forget comparing them to an increasingly successful company — how has Microsoft been doing on Wall Street relative to wherever they might have been late 1998? I know that Microsoft’s street view thing is pretty badass — how has its adoption coming compared to Google’s weak equivalent?

Other than successfully regrouping from the Vista disaster and making some money selling video game products and coming up with the Office 2007 ribbon tab which cannot be disabled, is there anything noteworthy, anything new worth mentioning that’s come out of Microsoft since Ballmer took the reigns? Is it really a thing to brag about, not taking as many risks and ventures as Google like promoting open video codecs? Do they do that at least? Ahh won’t matter much, not like they’ve got their own Youtube..

Well they are still paying dividends, so there’s that…

And is Bing profitable? That one I don’t know the answer to.

David K:

I doubt Bing is profitable but maybe you forgot that MS doesn’t relaly make consumer devices. I mean, it’s all well and good but MS’s gravy all comes from things that are behind clsoed doors…the only exceptions are Windows on PC (obviously) and Xbox. Everything is server shit and stuff you guys care about. In fact, in many ways MS is new to the consumer markets. They don’t make hardware (except for Zune, XBox and Kin). Yeah they’ve had IE for a long time and when Win8 comes out and it’s packaged they’ll be just fine…10% market isn’t much to bve concerned about and IE9 is growing by the day. Oh in a week the RC comes out in fact. Oh and they’re jsut picking up on this whole advertising revenue thing and are paying at the same rate as Google. So Google is in competition in serch, browser, ads and mobile OS – all places MS is newly competing in. But all of that back office shit that MS dominates, Google doesn’t even have a product for. Let’s see who eats into who…

Murani Lewis:

My Surround is on the fritz.  I was outside shoveling for a couple hours then I came inside and tried to install the AlphaJax update.  The phone backed out of the update and then my phone reset itself to the splash screen.  Now it won’t go past the splash screen and reboots itself every 5 minutes or so but keeps getting stuck in splash screen.
On the phone right now with AT&T Tech right now.  They don’t seem to be any real help but they are trying their best.  Just a lack of inside knowledge of how the phones work I suppose.  Time to find how to hard reset the device on my own

Doug Simmons:

That back office shit is called Google Apps and it’s beating I don’t even know what the hell Microsoft’s cloud thing is called, stripping each new organization that signs up for Google Apps of their need for all that Microsoft back office shit and people to pay to maintain that back office shit and upgrades and so on. I understand that it’s growing rapidly, that this crackpot notion may not have been such a bad idea.

Chris Leiter:

Office 365 and they’re waaaaaay too proud of it.  Google apps is much better.  Can’t wait for them to release the office plugin for google apps :)

David K:

David K:

MS also has Azure but guys – that’s not where MS makes their money.
Each of these brings in $1b to MS each year:
SQL Server
System Center
Unified Communications (Exchange)
Developer Tools (Visual Studio)
Dynamics (ERP & CRM)
Online Advertising (display & search)

When the Chromium beta signup went around I didn’t do it. I’m not giving themmy info for a product I won’t use. My dad on the other hand doesn’t care so he signed up and literally it was just delivered to the house. I’ll let him decide if it’s any good ;)

Ramon Trotman:

F#ck Palm.


  1. I like the inclusion of Murani’s Surround issues into the article. I envision that sort of like the Three Stooges Moe two finger jab into Curly’s eyes and at the last minute he blocks it. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!

  2. What the hell are you even arguing about?

    Oh well, never miss an opportunity to take shots at Simmons for pulling stats out of his ___

    You should have probably read the following before posting the w3schools stats:

    “W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser aternatives.

    These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is a more popular browser.

    Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools’ log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends.”

  3. Drat! You caught me trying to slip something false by. Anyway, what source would suit you? I went to Bing, pulled up two prominently displayed including:

    and, the source of the top article on Bing News, both in response to “browser share”

    Guess what, this is going to sound crazy based on the fact that I tried to do a sneaky trick, but Wikipedia has IE going steadily down since 2003 and the Register said last year was no exception, both have Chrome in double digits which were the headlines.

    You want me to look around more? Maybe I can find something from Microsoft you’ll believe?

    By the way you can feel free to say ass and bitch here. No need to make me have to think harder by starting and a bunch of underscores wondering what you might have said, then I wonder had you said the words would you have misspelled them — makes me have to think too hard.

  4. This guy just joined us in case you have any questions.. – – [02/Feb/2011:17:50:37 -0500] “GET /blankmdleaksgoogfight.gif HTTP/1.1” 200 51 “-” “Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16”

    lol nice phone Microsoft guy :)

  5. Scott: Ahh yeah PCMag, the people who claimed AT&T was the fastest network (it’s not), averaging 1.7Mbps, in NYC.

    Okay well they’re citing Net Applications which had IE at 57.08% in December, 56% in January, Chrome at 9.98% in December, 10.7% in January. IE down Chrome up, milestone of breaking double digits including by their count.

    Does anyone here think that there has not been a clear trend along those lines, IE dropping and Chrome rising, for years? And those who concede that there is, do you think IE9 will be some sort of game-changer?

    Thanks for the layup Scott.

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