On 5/10/2011 4:05 PM, Doug Smith wrote:

I am a little confused with the new hardware releases. Is it that Mango will be ushered in WITH new devices and hardware specs or is it that it will come with new phones and backwards compatible with all the older devices? Does anyone have any info about what new hardware specs we might expect?

Patrick:

New hardware moving forward, in addition to current gen devices

David K:

You are allowed to have a different CPU than the current breed. Nothing shocking. The only other change is that thing…the motion thing. Not accelerometer but the more sensitive one.

All current phones will get updates to Mango though.

Sent from my Windows Phone

Murani:

With Verizon and Nokia on board I’d suspect some OEM to release a flagship quality phone especially after recent events.

Danny:

Mango is technically an "update". Dont see why it would leave current gen devices behind… Pretty sure I read that MS will continue to support older devices when they launched. That’s what drew me to the OS.

New hardware is to capture holiday sales. I think MS is again trying to get the best of both worlds from google and apple. They are doing joint launches to simulate apple’s once a year "big deal" launchs to built hype and help the OS gain attention while at the same time offering the various device choices that android does. I think it’s a good thing if they only release once a year and all together. I at least know my phone will be "current" for a whole year haha and it helps a lot with publicity since everyone will be on it

Chris Leiter:

Gyroscope is money. It’s awesome in the iPhone 4 and iPad 2

Ramon:

Mango will indeed work with 1st Gen hardware.

Danny:

I hope they release a "flagship" phone…the initial batch of hardware was seriously underwhelming…

Ramon:

Seriously underwhelming is perspective. As underwhelming as it is or was…it still runs circles around my dual core 1gig cutting edge Android phone. And lets not talk about the iPhone….

Danny:

Dont get me wrong, i’m not saying it’s bad. and i still love it my dvp too much(inspite of all the firmware issues) to switch to android even with all the extra functionality from apps i can have on an android device. But that doesn’t mean the OEMs should just make cookie cutter phones…I dont care about dual-cores until they perfect the handling of the threads for optimum utility. I just think they could give us a xenon flash? maybe a better camera sensor/lens(not just MP bump, but quality especially in low light). Some extra mics for noise cancelling(both calls and video recording). Anything other than the standard package wrapped in a different plastic case…The whole point of having all these OEMs is so they can provide a variety of choices. Only choices we have beyond screen size and keyboards at the moment are superficial.

Ramon:

Good point. I agree from that perspective. My hd7 is 3 years old….fucking annoying.

Doug Simmons:

You don’t think given how some major things turned out to be the opposite of what was pledged it would make the word indeed a little inappropriate in this context? Also, making it work over a year in on 1st generation hardware isn’t necessarily a good thing in terms of appearances.

Mango’s actually a good name for the whole thing. I like Mango. It’s fresh, it’s sexy. Windows Phone is not fresh and sexy. They should write Windows Phone off altogether as strike two and just lay down Mango, them and Nokia, Microsoft Mango and call all the new code name releases the various colors of M&Ms. Manage to run out of colors? Switch to flavors. No flavors? Coating texture. No coating textures left? … New product line, have it tie in somehow to Skittles which also has a lot of colors and a plethora of different flavor themes and textures.
Bam, genius idea. Relatively speaking.

Mango. Clean slate this fucker one more time. I don’t mean scrap any of the WP work, just the branding. Got one more strike left maybe and you’re not going to pull this off with a long, dull name. Windows Phone? Who the fuck wants that? Windows Phone. But Mango? This is what the guys were watching when they came up with Mango, you remember this?

I don’t know what exactly the purpose of those circles are that you see Windows Phone running around your cutting edge Android phone but the rate of improvement of Android software and hardware and everything good about it, Android’s delta value of sweetness, runs ellipses around anything Microsoft except perhaps their prolific contributions to the Apple App Store.

Oh snap.

Murani:

Simmons I see the red herring and I’m calling you on it. Ramon was speaking to the UX and swiftness of the software. Android doesn’t make hardware and SUCKS monkey balls when talking about optimization.

Btw, did Google really think the major labels were going to let them give their music away? Streaming my own music as an alternative is an epic failure.

Jimski:

OEM’s have to meet minimum specs but can add whatever else they want: kb, speakers, AMOLED screens, or FFC’s. Mango is guaranteed to work on the launch devices and all new devices. No saying what the next major update will do/bring though.

Native video/speak will most likely not be part of Mango, but will probably be available via third party app (Skype/Qik),  to work with devices that may sport FFC’s. The next update, probably Q2/2012, will bring FFC’s as a hardware standard and a resident/integrated app. Older devices will probably still have the horsepower to work with a future update, just no FFC to communicate. No facts, just my anecdotal guess.

Doug Simmons:

Protip, don’t add an apostrophe to make something made up of initials plural. Possessive yes, plural no.

What’s with you and the apostrophes? FFCs, APIs, horsepower.. Do you have the horsepower to get this through your skull without it crumbling too much? Taking your Centrum and Aricept pops?

Jimski:

Guess not. At least I am keep you busy.

Jimski:

On second thought Doug, fuck you.

Plurals – Letters, figures and symbols – ‘s is added. As in 1’s.

Glad I downloaded English Grammar. Good app.

Doug Simmons:

Can you believe this fucking guy?

Fuck you and your good app.

If I ever see, for instance, you refer to yourself as being in your late 90’s rather than your late 90s, I will not only edit your post to make it right, I will stop correcting your apostrophe abuse when you make a flagrantly and indisputably incorrect error (EG your I’m A WP7 Get’s An Update article — by the way, lowercase a in A and An which are articles and you can look that up in your stupid app).

Not only is my way a right and better way to do it, it’s right because I said so and how do you like that you saggy scrotum scraper slash sniffer.

You arthritic dog fluffer.

Murani:

Hilarious!!!

Jimski:

Playing Simmons is better than any XBox game. Damn, an idea for my first application.

Doug Simmons:

Nobody, and by nobody I mean you, you thunder cunt, gets to try to claim they’re trolling me when I’m going out of my way to help you cloak your severe cognitive deficits.

Every time I see a paramedic take a huge moist poop into a glass jar, I think of you. My idea of a brilliant Thursday afternoon is watching a hobo abuse your throat.

Fuck me Jim? How dare you. You fucking twatwaffle, fuck you.

You goat driller.

Danny:

wow…just wow…haha too bad you cant put this on MDLeaks!

Doug Simmons:

Is that your way of suggesting I can’t put this on MDLeaks? Danny, I strongly suspect you adore cosplay just a tad too much.

Danny:

haha that was my lame attempt to use reverse phsycology to encourage u to put it on MDLeaks…

Chris Leiter:

No balls

13 COMMENTS

  1. Glad to offer you more fodder Simmons. Surprising though that with your obvious intelligence and vast knowledge of Google/Android you can’t come up with anything more constructive to write about.

  2. your obvious intelligence and vast knowledge

    You’d think with this obvious intelligence and vast knowledge of mine I’d be able to come up with the term for something that’s stated sarcastically but at the same time the guy saying it knows it’s actually very true.

    Inadvertent pseudo-sarcasm? Advanced senescence? …

  3. @Simmons: No sarcasm directed or intended. I have been reading your articles for almost a year now, and get to read all of your internal email, although I will admit I started filtering them to my trash folder a few months back (still read them though). You do know what you are talking about, and I am probably the last person to offer any advice, but you might want to consider writing with a bit less conviction and a little more objectivity. Just sayin.

  4. You know it would be nice if you were the last one to offer such advice.

    But perhaps my excessive conviction and lack of objectivity is perfectly offset by your flaccid banality.

  5. “Twatwaffle”? How does one come up with that? Doug, you definitely have late stage syphilis.

  6. I get the impression Doug S is the epitome of all children who found out mommy and daddy are brother and sister…just so angry at the world. Maybe someone dressed up in a costume of the Android mascot could gave him a hug with jazz hands or a rub out to take the edge off

  7. Actually, though I’m still not sure what they are, from what I’ve learned of them I think I kind of dig jazz hands, certainly the rubbing variety.

  8. Yeah well, syphilis, Franz Schubert and my main man Scott Joplin had that so at least I’m in good company.

    Hey Jim you know why you have dimentia? Because you’re a piece of shit seal clubber. I would kill you, but then the title of “most grotesquely disgusting butt muncher alive” would pass on to someone else.

  9. Hey shithead, your slipping. It’s “dementia”. And while my 87 year old, once vibrant mother, has been afflicted by this debilitating condition for the past 10 years, I am just fine. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, even your family. By the way, was that a threat?

  10. Doug, I’ve been enjoying your writing for years going back to your Fuze Blows days and my at&t Tilt. You are truly a fountain of useful information and opinion. My concern is that despite your self evident expertise about mobile technology your opinion pieces lose some of their credibility when you personally attack people publicly over miniscule issues like punctuation. It makes us readers question if your opinions are based on facts and sound analysis (usually the case for you) or are they a means for you to vent against some personal affront you believe you have suffered. While all your grammatical corrections are factually correct, this thread has only served to undermine your reputation as a commentator about mobile technology because readers will question if your motivation is pursuit of truth or personal vendetta.

    I am typically a meticulous writer with a very thorough knowledge of the king’s English but I shouldn’t have to stress about making sure Swype hasn’t inadvertently inserted some innocuous error that does nothing to hinder comprehension by the reader. We are not writing great literature here. I know you will counter with the point that the original writer should be held to a higher standard than a commenter such as myself and you would be correct. Your pissing contest reaction to his admittedly very poor use of punctuation makes people like me who agree with you and want to support you to become antagonistic towards you just to bring balance to the equation. I know I am a complete nobody to you with no credibility in your eyes so you are unlikely to pay any heed to my words but know these words come from a long time fan who truly wishes you nothing but the best.

    Regards,

    Brian Kirschner

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