Bottom Line, Murani
When talking trash about Android, which is evidently a key component to discussing how awesome Windows Phone is, Murani will concede, as he just did after watching this video, that Android’s Ice Cream is excellent, but quickly points out that the overwhelming majority of Android consumers are still stuck on Gingerbread. Well firstly Murani 64% is not an “overwhelming” majority. What is an overwhelming majority is the segment of smartphone owners who won’t flip out when they don’t get their platform updates or even have a vague idea of what that means. But that’s not the point.
Tomorrow Samsung will unveil their Galaxy S III. The GSII, to refresh your memory, sporting by all accounts the best hardware of any smartphone at the time, sold five million units in its first 85 days, ten million by the fifth month. This successor, you can safely bet, will likewise hold the same title of across-the-board best hardware out there. And it will run this Ice Cream Sandwich platform Murani concedes is excellent.
We’ll find out tomorrow but according to the rumor market the SGS III is slated to be the thinnest phone at 7mm, thinner than Motorola’s RAZR (also Android…), 1.4GHz to 1.8GHz quadruple core processor, 12MP/2MP, 4.7” 1080p resolution screen from the South Koreans who whoop more and more ass over time with new and improved screen technology (in terms of brightness outside, reflectiveness, contrast, resolution and efficiency overall), LTE, ceramic case (the stuff they use on friggin’ tanks), two gigs of ram (compared to Windows Phone Tango’s 0.256GB spec) – are you getting the picture Murani? Think you’ll see those specs on your thing anytime soon? What, you don’t want all that awesomeness because you’re optimized and battery life and yada yada? How many phones you got available to you with over a 2050mAh battery yet it’s still somehow thin as hell? Hey, 1080p, how do you feel about that?
So here’s the bottom line, Murani. If I am drawn to a phone by whether or not its hardware is the most outstanding, and so many of these Android shortcomings versus Windows Phone you admit have been impressively polished away by ICS (not to mention all the things I like about Android), and I like Google (but also like the option of running Microsoft software like Photosynth), does it matter that some or even many of the hundreds (thousands?) of Android phones are running Gingerbread or Facebook buttons? No. What do I care if there are shitty Android phones? How does that affect me? What, fragmentation? You sure you want to bring that up anymore chief?
As far as I’m concerned, ICS is fantastic (as was Honeycomb and Gingerbread and Froyo and Eclair), and Android most certainly gets the best hardware again and again, prolifically. While you’re busy rallying the troops within the 256MB / WVGA 4life team, I along with the overwhelming majority of smartphone consumers have a slew of phones with hardware from this decade to choose from, many of them have much better hardware across the board than any Windows Phone phone, and many are popping up left and right with ICS. I’m not stuck with the average Android phone. I’ve got options; and you’ve got options too, but my options include hardware your hardware options might touch three years from now.
Therefore Android is quite arguably better.
And maybe that’s why it feels like you guys are the ones doing all the aggressive hostile arguing. If these Samsung killer phones were packing Windows Phone, maybe you’d see some real consumer interest.
I can’t believe that you people with your lack of OEM interest actually criticize going Android because after you buy your top of the line Android, the next week it’s “obsolete.” I guess if your pride hinges on having stuck it out on Team Other that’s how you’ve got to characterize the byproduct of extreme OEM competition unbridled even by the Microsoft Shakedown tax. Another thing you’re proud of which blows my mind is that you chose the platform that seems to do the opposite of encouraging hardware improvement.
Now having said that, Windows Phone is fantastic, no question. Honestly, I wish I had bought my mom a Windows Phone instead of a Samsung Captivate. What a piece of crap that thing is.
In summation, Murani, you’re still a panda pounder. Bottom line.
Doug Simmons
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One small thing. They lowered the baseline statistics for tango with the marketplace restricting the app that you won’t be able to run.
OK.
on the other hand, you can buy a shiny new HTC One S that will run Android 4.0 right now, download cutting edge games, like say a GTA 3, boot it up, wait about 48 seconds and watch your phone crash to a point where it prompts you to restart it. (lmfao, I heard that EXACT example happened to one of the reviewers at the verge)
I’m telling you Simmons, the experience that you get on android, more so than any other mobile OS, is directly related to what you can afford.
So please carry on. my responses will carry you out.
Okay I’ll carry on with a response, but please leave the app running in the foreground for the next five minutes so that you don’t miss it.
>the experience that you get on android, more so than any other mobile OS, is directly related to what you can afford.
Kind of like … prostitutes, toilet paper and cars?
Hey Doug – long time no see… It’s good to have you back. As a hardcore WP fanboy, I really need your articles once in a while to get me back to reality.
I tend to forget why people buy android phones, so please keep reminding us!
Too bad your Dad’s condom broke! Andriod sucks on all levels, the hardware in some cases is not so bad. Quit whining its your mistake you jumped ship long ago. Enough!
What about my Galaxy Nexus, or any of my three Nexuses for that matter, sucks on any level?
At least I jumped ship while it was above sea level.
The biggest issue for Android is Google itself.
Oh my.
Ram, I’ve heard that very thing be said about Windows Phone and Microsoft being an issue plaguing and holding back the platform, that Microsoft and Windows as brands are a bit toxic for consumer markets and that they are doing no favors for the success of Windows Phone, and I’ve heard that having closer access to everything Google on Android than on other platforms being its major draw, but what you just said, they call that coming way out of left field.
Nice browser Jagan.
Well as long as cheap phones exist, Google Android will enjoy its leadership, but once Oracle wins, then the case may reverse.
> once Oracle wins, then the case may reverse
You must be a Pradeep fan. He’s the WMPU guy who’s obsessed with lawsuits against Google and partners of Google. Anyway, that’s fantasy that Android would be dealt a devastating blow (Google maybe, but Google and their phone operations and Android as consumers know it no) because Google lost a major case like the Oracle lawsuit. Business as usual.
> as long as cheap phones exist,
Interesting to see a jab like that come from a now-Nokia camp member. By that logic, once Tango hits the streets along with 256MB phones that run most of the apps (btw every Android app ever made is forward-compatible, did you know that?) Google and Apple had better run for the hills and find another way to scrape up money.
Sure the wide array of options have helped Android hit this insane 800K activations a day number, but I’d wager that by now Google and Android, in terms of phones, have built enough of a loyal following that were no more Tango-esque hardware-packing phones at $0.01 “price points” as Murani calls prices running Android to go on sale tomorrow and thereafter, though they may not hold their lead against Apple, they’d sure as hell be closer to Apple than to Other.
I went to AT&T this morning, was getting help from my man James who knows his share of this and that. Good guy. With me?
Noticed that all the employees had Windows Phone phones (with iPhones and Androids next to them). I asked about it, James said that he couldn’t wait to get back to just using his Android phone. I asked him how well they’re selling, “None by my hand.” No, I don’t think he is going out of his way not to sell the phone because he prefers Android.
He went on to say that Microsoft and Nokia are wasting a ton of money at what is only continuing to be a major flop, that Nokia made a devastatingly bad bet and should have gone with Android instead of WP or Symbian or MeeGo.
He said he feels sorry for the people who work for Nokia. And he didn’t even know about the factory shut down.
Simmons I admire your spunk but I gave up on this site a long time ago. It’s the only site that stands up for WP7 and ignores the major down falls of MS. I don’t understand how the arguements made by early windows 6.5 users that now apply to android phones are ignored now that MS has adopted the apple model. I am convinced that it is straight up fanyboyism. Nothing else can explain it. Lack of software for the system is huge IMO.
Anthoney thanks. For the sake of the site I’m sorry you burned out of here but on your part it sounds like you know it was a good move.
As for me, a significant if not the major factor in my jumping ship to Android was to put myself in a position to generate contrarian content for this site in order to make it more interesting, livening it up a bit, to try to enlarge (and enrage) the audience … I’m saying that it’s like the way you describe is part of the allure to me. A challenge or whatever.
But I’ve been pretty busy and unable to contribute for several months and this place has been swallowed up by people I run into on WMPU and other Windows Phone hangouts and it’s occurred to me too, plenty of times, that if Microsoft had done the opposite of one thing or another they’d eat it up just as voraciously. If you don’t want an article to fall flat here, you have to either defend Google or attack Microsoft, or post a picture of yourself buying a Windows Phone or reblog some analyst saying Windows Phone will be #1 by Q3 2012 or that salesmen are to blame for the bad sales or that wtf Apollo updates and so on. I can see how that would get old to some people.
Good to run into you.
>>Okay I’ll carry on with a response, but please leave the app running in the foreground for the next five minutes so that you don’t miss it.
>the experience that you get on android, more so than any other mobile OS, is directly related to what you can afford.
Kind of like … prostitutes, toilet paper and cars?
Tee Hee, thank the starts I’m following this via email, I would have never gotten the toast response any other way…..
For a smart guy, you say a lot of dumb things. But in typical you fashion, they start from a logical root, then go off on a tangent. Lets clean up shop shall we?
1. you still never really rectified/justified my one S example (oh and here’s that article http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/2/2916098/htc-one-s-review)
2. IF your android arguments stem from one specific phone and how it navigates through/co-exists with the Android ecosystem, cool. But lets not be ignorant of the other phones that are out there.
3. Because it sounds like you’re leading people down that path, understand that there is a difference between low end/ low cost devices that run Tango and Tango as an OS. There will be plenty of phone on the high-end spectrum of the Ecosystem that will run tango. If for nothing else, for more MMS capabilities. One more time, Tango on a phone all phones running on 256MB.
4. I’m actually pulling for Google here. Seriously. If android gets diminished in any way, iOS looks 10x better by mindshare default. If you like WP, you have to recognize what Google is (which would be the next step).
5. Welp, some AT&T guys disagree with others. I can tell you that , the locations on 71st and continental, 125th and 8th and Roosevelt field all have employees that seem to enjoy the hell out of that Lumia (and 1 that preferred the Titan II over it). And that’s just in NY. I just came back from Florida 3 weeks ago, I was there the Thursday before it came out and the AT&T authorized dealers we clamoring for it. On the 16th, my friend from Southfield, MI said his store actually had lines for the phone and had a few Samsung Notes returned for the titan ii.
>>On the 16th, my friend from Southfield, MI said his store actually had lines for the phone and had a few Samsung Notes returned for the titan ii.
I have seen that in one of the stores in St. Louis.
I know there are some idiots that work AT&T, and they are still down playing this happily as if selling smartphones as a religion.
Oh great I started an anecdotal evidence party.
“sporting by all accounts the best hardware of any smartphone at the time”
LOL! I bet it still lags like a bitch, like Android always has.